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Mon, Jul. 12th, 2004, 06:19 pm
I'M RAT AND I'M PROUD!

porsupah posted this link about animal totems and I wanted to say a few words in defence of rats. Now, this is in no way an attack on my esteemed colleague and I'm pleased he liked the entry for red pandas, but I want to set the record straight.

I am not 'damaged' and I am to be neither pitied nor feared. It is obvious the author was speaking from their own fear and prejudice rather than any knowledge about rats or those blessed with this totem. A particularly charming example is the notion that rats will eat to excess and throw up rather than let any other animal share their food. Both rats and mice are incapable of regurgitating. I do not feel I should be worried about signs of wastefulness in my life; quite the opposite in fact. I'm the one who scavenges left over food so it doesn't go to waste. The author may not be aware that scavengers perform a valuable role in the ecosystem. I do not think I should feel in the least bit guilty about being a rat, and nor should any other rat.
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Mon, Jul. 12th, 2004 02:33 am (UTC)
marko_the_rat

*snuggles into your warm embrace, never wanting to let you go*

I have been damaged, but it's the rats that gave me the strength to carry on. It makes me angry to see a species that's given me so much so maligned.

Mon, Jul. 12th, 2004 05:39 am (UTC)
alpha_lycan

I think what ever animal you are, you should be proud of. If your a rat up to a dragon, if that is what you truely feel that is your soul and your being, then by damn be happy about it. What I hate are the people who flip between animal every week.

It's good to see that your as happy and proud of who you are, no matter the "sterotypes" that have been placed against your species. Rise above that and be that best you can be.

*Picks you up and gives you a great big hug and bounces around the room* ^_^.

Yay, I'm hugging a rat and I'm happy about it ^_^.

Mon, Jul. 12th, 2004 06:21 am (UTC)
vassilissa

Reading this through friendsfriends:

Good grief. I wouldn't assume assume that if someone's totem was a rat, they were damaged or to be pitied or feared.

I'd assume they were smart, strong, agile, cunning, mischievous, gentle, friendly and playful, and if male, a very calm and easygoing person (if female, a very active and energetic person.) (I'd also probably keep them away from any electrical cords I was fond of, but that's just me.)

And I'd say that even if you weren't ristin's partner.

Some people are just ignorant.

Mon, Jul. 12th, 2004 10:31 am (UTC)
mike_kangaroo

I think what was said about kangaroo's is nice though

Mon, Jul. 12th, 2004 02:02 pm (UTC)
odious

I agree. =O)

Mon, Jul. 12th, 2004 02:13 pm (UTC)
marko_the_rat

Oh, yes, this self-proclaimed expert has a kind word to say about every other animal, but not about rats. There could be a reason that rats need more loving than other species. :'(

Mon, Jul. 12th, 2004 03:26 pm (UTC)
mike_kangaroo

Isnt that Ristin's job? ;o)
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Mon, Jul. 12th, 2004 04:20 pm (UTC)
odious

Well, I like you. =O) *roo hugs*

Tue, Jul. 13th, 2004 02:33 am (UTC)
marko_the_rat

Well, yes, it is Ristin's job, but Odious has the right idea. Thank you, Odi. ^_^ I still need reassurance that people like me even though I'm a rat. But I still think that woman has cause and effect mixed up.

Tue, Jul. 13th, 2004 01:50 pm (UTC)
odious

Don't let it get to you. I'm not sure that they know anything about what they're talking about anyway. This dosen't seem "athoritative" (if there is such a thing in this area). I don't put any faith in totemism myself, I just find it facinating.

Mon, Jul. 12th, 2004 03:03 pm (UTC)
subrosa_florens

Apparently this person does not know that Rat is associated with virility, abundance of wealthy, the ability to move unseen, not to mention perseverence.

Mon, Jul. 12th, 2004 05:12 pm (UTC)
kyletherat

... anger... rats are very cool and nice.. i dont know too much about them, but if my totem is still a rat, im still happy that it is.

Mon, Jul. 12th, 2004 06:10 pm (UTC)
nicodemusrat

Dude, total slam on rats. Uninformed, too.

"overeat and throw up" - As you pointed out, Marko, rats are phsyiologically incapable of vomitting. It's the basis for many rat poisons, actually.

"Trade Rat because it leaves a stone in the place of what it takes." - As far as I know, this is a myth. Rats will often leave what they're carrying to pick something else up, which may be the origin of this. But there isn't a separate species of "Trade Rat".

"Black Rats carried the fleas that led to the Black Plague." - Nope, that was the brown rat (rattus norvegicus), which was spreading through Europe and displacing the black rats. The name "black plague" is not derived from the animal but from the symptoms, IIRC.


It also goes directly against many other rat totem interpretations, such as intelligence and thriftiness. The Chinese zodiac rat, in particular, is associated with wealth.

It's just more rat bashing.

Sat, Jul. 17th, 2004 03:13 pm (UTC)
porsupah

I wonder if the site author in question might be amenable to some polite education? I feel a little awkward in having indirectly caused distress; I admit, I only looked at my own entry, and at that for "rabbit".

On a tangent, are rats unique in not being able to expel harmful foodstuffs? It seems like a widespread trait, although I'll admit I've not specifically collected information on the topic. ^_^ I wonder how complex the genetic tweaking would be to (re-?)introduce the ability..

Tue, Jul. 20th, 2004 11:32 am (UTC)
nicodemusrat

I feel a little awkward in having indirectly caused distress

I wouldn't worry about it... I think us rats are used to seeing it by now. :)

I wonder if the site author in question might be amenable to some polite education?

A good suggestion!

Wed, Jul. 21st, 2004 04:50 am (UTC)
marko_the_rat

I feel a little awkward in having indirectly caused distress

I wouldn't worry about it... I think us rats are used to seeing it by now. :)


Quite right! It was nothing against you at all, Porsupah. We get so much abuse, it's like water off a rat's back. In fact, I was glad for the opportunity to establish my rat credentials.

I wonder if the site author in question might be amenable to some polite education?


The impression I got from a brief perusal of her website is that she would not be amenable to such education. She has achieved such a high state of enlightenment that she had transcended the need for something so tawdry as 'facts'. Sadly, a malaise that affects much of the new age movement and discredits what they do have of value.

Tue, Jul. 13th, 2004 12:26 pm (UTC)
shadowbitten

Hrrmmm, a mere correction:
It wasn't rats per see that carried the disease and effectually spread the Black Plague across Europe. It was humans travelling the country, fleeing the disease. It might be the rat's fleas that infected the humans with their bite as a preliminary, but it wasn't rats per see that carried the Black Plague around.
It was humans.

I've investigated the Black Plague because I wanted to know what the bacteria was named... Still haven't found out the bacteria's name yet. But interesting disease..:-)

Besides, I am a rat in the chinese Zodiac, a water rat to be precise.
I am pretty darn proud of it!
*gives Marko a belly rub*
No worries, SnuggleRat..:-)

Tue, Jul. 20th, 2004 11:35 am (UTC)
nicodemusrat

Black Plague is yersinia pestis, an enterobacteria.

Thu, Jul. 22nd, 2004 12:49 am (UTC)
shadowbitten

Thank you, it had me in a some what of a pickle.. Enterobacteria, eh?? Related to Eschericia coli, Proteus mirabilis and vulgaris and Salmonella typhii....
Hmmm... Better go look up the details on Yersinia pestis...
Should make for interesting reading..:-)
There is in fact still outbreaks of the Plague, but it is in India and no more than a thousand at a time or so. According to my sources that is..:-)

Sun, Jul. 25th, 2004 08:24 pm (UTC)
darqrat

In the Chinese zodiac, the rat is known as the sign of charm. Heh...